Udliwanondlebe: IDayari yeNtombazana yaMantombazana aFikisayo uPhoebe Gloeckner

Enye yeefilimu ezonwabisayo eziza kuphuma kwiminyhadala kulo nyaka ibiyi-indie Idayari yaMantombazana aFikisayo (ngoku kukhululo olubanzi). Ifilimu lulungelelwaniso lwenoveli yomzobi ngumbhali / umculi / unjingalwazi uPhoebe Gloeckner, kwaye ngelixa ingeyiyo eyomntu, isekwe kumava akhe ekukhuleni. Inkqubo yokubona umsebenzi wakhe uzisiwe kwiscreen ithathe ngaphezulu kweshumi leminyaka kwaye wabona abalawuli abaliqela bebonisa umdla kwiprojekthi ngaphambi kokuba ifilimu ka-2015 ivele.

Endaweni yokubeka umlingiswa kaMinnie Goetze ezandleni zomenzi wefilimu ngefilimu ende, uGloeckner ekugqibeleni wanika amalungelo kumhlekisi uMarielle Heller, okokuqala njengomdlalo kwaye ekugqibeleni umboniso bhanyabhanya wawuguqula waba ngumlingisi weqonga uKristen Wiig, Alexander Skarsgard, kunye UBel Powley njengoMinnie. U-Gloeckner uthethe ngamava okubona umsebenzi wakhe uhlengahlengiswa kwaye kutheni ibali lakhe lobuqu linomtsalane obanzi.

U-Lesley Coffin (TMS): Endaweni yokuba uguqulelwe ngokuthe ngqo ukusuka kwincwadi ukuya kwifilimu, kukwakho umdlalo uMarielle Heller wabhala, waqondisa, kwaye wenza inkwenkwezi. Ngaba yayinguMarielle owafika kuqala kuwe malunga nomdla wakhe wokuguqula incwadi njengomdlalo?

UFibhi Gloeckner: Kwenzeka kanye loo nto. Ndakhe ndathetha nabalawuli abambalwa kanye emva kokuba incwadi iphumile, kwaye ndandingakwazi kusebenza nemibono endandiyifumana kubo. Ke ndiye ndalibala ukulibala ukuyenza imovie, emva koko kwiminyaka embalwa kamva, uMarielle waqhagamshelana nam ngayo kwaye wafuna ukuyenza njengomdlalo. Wayemncinci kwaye enomdla kakhulu, kwaye wayeyithanda le ncwadi, kwaye wayezingisa kakhulu.

Wayethetha nabantu endibaziyo ukuba bazame ukundibamba, kwaye xa ekugqibeleni sidibene, ndothuka xa esithi ufuna ukwenza umdlalo, kuba andiyicingi le ncwadi njengomdlalo. Ke ndathi kulungile, yizame, kwaye andikhange ndicinge ukuba inokwenziwa umdlalo okanye ndicinge ukuba ayinakuze ibonakalise, ke kubonakala ngathi yinto engenamngcipheko, kuba inokuba yinto enkulu dlala kwaye abantu baya kuyibona, okanye ibiya kuncanca kungabikho mntu uyibonayo. Umdlalo wahlukile kwifilimu kuba ifilimu inoprinta ongapheliyo.

Umdlalo wawumnandi, kwaye ndandimangalisiwe. Kungekudala emva koko, wandibuza ukuba angayenza na ifilimu, kwaye ndicinga ukuba ukwenza umdlalo wamnika amava awadingayo ukwenza ifilimu, kuba ebengabhalanga kwaye eqondise nantoni na ngaphambili. Umdlalo undibonisile ukuba angayenza ifilimu.

NJL: Zeziphi ezinye zezizathu zokuba ube madolw 'anzima ukutyikitya amalungelo kubalawuli abeza kuwe kwangoko?

Iglogi: Omnye umlawuli ngokukodwa ndandithanda kakhulu kwaye ndatya isidlo sasemini kunye naye amaxesha ambalwa. Ndingathanda iifilimu zakhe zangaphambili, ezazinethoni ethile eyayingandenzi ndizive ndiqinisekile ukuba uya kuyilungelelanisa incwadi njengoko bendiya kuba nayo. Kodwa ngexesha lesidlo sasemini sokugqibela kunye, xa ndandiza kutyikitya, wandixelela ukuba uzakuba noMinnie atshate isoka likanina, endandingakholelwa nje kwaphela. Ndicinga ukuba wayenenye into ayithathayo kule ncwadi, kuba into yokuqala awayithethayo kum kukuba, andisoze ndiphinde ndijonge amantombazana akwishumi elivisayo ngokufanayo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba wayethetha, kunokuba angaziqondi, wayengazi nje ukuba bacinga ngesondo kakhulu.

NJL: Ewe siyakwenza. Ndicinga ukuba eyona nto ime kakuhle kweli bali kukuba uMinnie ucacisa gca, iingcinga zakhe kunye nemibono yakhe ngobomi kunye nosapho kunye nokwabelana ngesondo zivakala kakhulu. Emva kokubhala incwadi, waqonda nini ukuba abaphulaphuli banonxibelelwano lobuqu nomlinganiswa kaMinnie?

Iglogi: Incwadi isekwe kumava am, kodwa ngokubanzi ndiyayikhanyela ukuba iyimbali kuba ayisiyiyo yokuxela okanye nantoni na. Yincwadi yenoveli eyenziwe ngobunono eyenzelwe ukuba ifundwe njengeyinyani. Ke, ngokwenza loo nto, umlinganiswa usekwe kum njengomntu ofikisayo, kwaye xa ndandikwishumi elivisayo, ndandizithiyile.

Kodwa andinakubhala incwadi ndimthiyile loo mlinganiswa. Kwakungayi kwenza omnye umntu onjengaye. Ke kuye kwafuneka ndifumane yonke i-schizophrenic ndize ndohlukane naye ndizame ukucinga ngaye njengaye nawuphi na umntu. Akunjalo nayiphi na intombazana, kodwa nawuphi na umntu-kwaye ndiyamthanda loo mntu. Ke into yokuba abantu abaninzi bebendibhalele kule minyaka idlulileyo kwaye bendixelela amava abo obomi ekukhuleni ayengengawo awam okanye awakaMinnie- ukuba babengenawo amava afanayo- kodwa iingcinga zakhe nobomi bangaphakathi obunzima babunjalo eziqhelekileyo kuye kwanelisa. Leyo yayiyimpendulo efanelekileyo kum njengombhali kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba ifilimu, kuba ibali alikho ngesondo-lithetha ngokuba ngumntu. Kwenzeka nje ukuba ube neentlobano zesini kuyo.

NJL: Njengomfanekiso bhanyabhanya ozayo, kubonakala ngathi umzuzu omkhulu weemvakalelo kaMinnie uyaqonda ukuba akadingi kuqinisekiswa ngaphandle, kuba ekugqibeleni angazithanda njengoko enjalo. Kwaye ngumbono onamandla kakhulu wokungqina ukuba i-epiphany kunye nabantu abaninzi banokuchonga, nokuba banamava kaMinnie okanye akunjalo. Kuba wawuyinjongo yakho kwisimilo sikaMinnie?

Iglogi: Ewe bekunjalo. UMinnie uvela kwimeko yosapho eswelekileyo, kungekho mntu uzimbambazela entloko amxelele ukuba mkhulu okanye angaphumelela. Ukuze asinde nyani, kwafuneka afunde ukuzithanda, kwaye ndicinga ukuba abantu abaninzi baziva njalo — ulutsha, ulutsha… nabantu abadala. Nabani na ohamba kwinqanaba lenguqu ebomini uhamba kolu hlobo lokuzonda nokungathandabuzeki, kwaye ke, ndicinga ukuba lo myalezo-ukuba sonke kufuneka sifunde ukuzithanda-sisifundo esibaluleke kakhulu.

NJL: Yintoni malunga nee-70s, ngakumbi ukuba uMinnie kunye nomama wakhe bafumane isandla sabasetyhini sokuqala, oko kubaluleke kakhulu kwincwadi nakwifilimu?

Iglogi: Ewe, kunjalo ngu ibali elisekelwe kumava am, kwaye kwenzeka oko. Kodwa kuyahlekisa ukuba uMinnie luhlobo lotshintsho lwasemva kwezesondo. Ndikhumbula ndineminyaka esi-8 okanye esi-9 ubudala kwaye ndisiva ngokutshiswa kwebra emva koko ukuqhomfa kwaba semthethweni. Khange ndibenalo ixesha lam okwangoku, kodwa khumbula ukucinga kwam, ndinethamsanqa kuba le nto izakube iphelile ngelixesha ndiba ngumfazi, kwaye wonke umntu uzolingana. Ke mna ndikhule ndicinga ukuba ndiyalingana kwaye ndicinga ukuba wonke umntu uyakuqonda oko, kodwa enyanisweni uyaqonda ukuba kukho izithintelo ezingenakubalwa zabafazi, ezinye zazo ezichuliweyo.

NJL: Kuyahlekisa kuba ufumana umbono wokuba umama kaMinnie ukholelwa kubufazi kunye nokulingana kunye nenkululeko yesini, kodwa ke uthi ezinye izinto kuMinnie ezihamba ngokuchasene nale ngcinga.

Iglogi: Kwaye andicingi ukuba oko kuyimveliso yexesha lakhe, kodwa abantwana bakho bayakubonisa-okanye ubuncinci ucinga ukuba bayayenza. Ke ukuba azibonakali zinomtsalane kuwe, uza kuthetha into kwaye wenze izimvo, kwaye ndicinga ukuba kukho umona omncinci nokuzonda kuye. Ke ndicinga ukuba izimvo zakhe ziyimveliso yokungaqiniseki kwakhe, kunokuba ibe yimveliso yeembono ezindala.

NJL: Zithini iingcinga zakho zokuqala ngokubandakanya oopopayi kwifilimu?

Iglogi: UMarielle uthathe isigqibo sokuyifaka, kwaye andicingi ukuba ngendicinga ukuyenza ngokwam, okanye ubuncinci hayi olo hlobo loopopayi. Kodwa isebenza njengesixhobo se-cinematic. UMinnie akangompopayi; ungumculi odweba. Kule ncwadi, ubhala kwidayari yakhe; akawenzi amarekhodi erekhodi. Kodwa mhlawumbi ezi zisebenza ngcono kwiscreen kwaye andicingi ukuba ziphazamisa umoya wencwadi.

NJL: Yintoni eyakuqala yakwenza ukuba ube ngumzobi wekhathuni kwaye ubhale amabali anje njengeenoveli zemizobo?

Iglogi: Sonke siqala ukubhala nokudweba ngaxeshanye, mhlawumbi kufutshane nenkulisa. Ndihlala ndithanda ukuzoba, kwaye bendisoloko ndixelelwa ukuba ndiyigcisa elihle ngabantu, kubandakanya notata. Bendihlala ndingayithandi imizobo yam, kodwa bendikhuthazwa ukuba ndiqhubeke ndiyenza. Kodwa kum, akukho nto inokuphinda yenzeke ngaphezu kokubona umfanekiso we-tuli, kuba ndifuna ukuba ibalise ibali, kwaye amagama kunye nemifanekiso zinxibelelene ngaphakathi kwentloko yam.

Yindlela endikhumbula ngayo izinto, kwaye imifanekiso isebenza ngokwahlukileyo kakhulu kumagama asebalini. Kukho ukukhawuleza kwimifanekiso-umbono uvela ngokukhawuleza okukhulu, kwaye unokujonga imifanekiso ngakumbi kwaye ubone iinkcukacha ngakumbi, ngelixa amagama ingamagama, kwaye enza uhlobo olwahlukileyo lokuqhubela phambili. Kuya kufuneka ndizisebenzise zombini xa ndibalisa ibali.

NJL: Ngenxa yokuba umlinganiswa usekwe kuwe, ubufuna ukuba negalelo ekubeni ngubani oza kudlala indima kaMinnie?

Iglogi: UMarielle wabaleka ngam wandixelela ngoBel, ndaye ndabona ukuba uBel ngumdlali weqonga olungileyo kwaye angangumlingiswa. Kodwa kwenzeka ukuba uBel wayenamava obomi awayezazisile impendulo yakhe ebalini, kwaye ngaloo ndlela, bendicinga ukuba uyilungele le ndima. Uxhume nyani noMinnie. Kwaye indlela ajongeka ngayo-akafani nam okanye uMinnie, kodwa waziguqula kwaye ujongeka njengoMinnie kwifilimu. Ngumlingo wefilimu okanye wayedlala umlinganiswa kakuhle kangangokuba wazithatha ezo mpawu. Ndacinga ukuba ulungile.

NJL: Olunye ulwalamano endalufumanisa lunomdla wokwenyani kodwa lwalusoloko lusemva yindlela uMinnie awayedibana ngayo nodadewabo omncinci, kuba nodadewabo uMinnie babenethuba lokubonisa uthando emntwini kwaye aphule le khonkco ikhona phakathi kukamama nentombi yakhe. Ngaphandle kwendima eyadlalwa ngudadewabo ebalini, kwakutheni ukuze olo lwalamano phakathi koodade lubalulekile ukuba lubandakanye ebalini?

Iglogi: Ndicinga ukuba ngumyalezo obalulekileyo lowo, kuba unika umbukeli ithemba. Kukho yonke le imitya ikhululekile ekufuneka inike umbukeli ithemba ngekamva, kwaye yenye yazo. Ndicinga ukuba obo budlelwane bubaluleke kakhulu, kwaye ayisiyonto ingaqhelekanga leyo. Okwangoku, ndenza umsebenzi omninzi eMexico, ndibhala incwadi kwaye ndithetha nabantu abahlwempuzeke kakhulu, kwaye ndihlala ndibona abantwana besenza uhlobo lweentsapho ezincinci kwiintsapho zabo esele zikhona.

Mhlawumbi utata wabo uswelekile okanye umzali usebenzisa iziyobisi, kwaye abantwana abayifumani nje le nto bayifunayo, kwaye baya kuthi balinganise kwaye bahlaselane, okanye baya kukhathalelana-okanye bobabini. Kukho inkumbulo ebonakalayo yokuphathwa kakuhle ngumntakwenu kodwa ikwabethwa; UMinnie nodadewabo omncinci banolwalamano oluhle. UMinnie uza kumbetha eGretel kodwa emva koko azisole kwaye amxelele ukuba uyamthanda, ke obu budlelwane obuyinkimbinkimbi obunokwenzakalisa kunye nokuphilisa. Umntu unethemba lokuba ukuphilisa yinto ekhunjulwayo.

NJL: Xa wawubona umboniso bhanyabhanya udityanisiwe, kwakunjani ukubona umsebenzi wakho utolikwa ngomnye umntu?

Iglogi: Kwakumangalisa ngokwenene. Ukuqala kwam ukubona umdlalo, ndachaphazeleka kuwo kangangokuba ndandilila. Umboniso bhanyabhanya, babebaninzi abantu ababenomdla kuwo ngaphezu komdlalo, ke ngoko kwakukho isixa esithile sokuzazi. Ke bendijonge ifilimu kodwa ndikwajonga nabaphulaphuli.

Kwafuneka ndibongoze u-Sony ukuba andivumele ndibukele ifilimu elinye ixesha, kwaye ekugqibeleni bandithumelela ikhonkco, kuba kwakufuneka ndizolile kwaye ndiyibukele. Okukhona ndiyibona, kokukhona ndiyithanda ngakumbi, kodwa andazi ukuba mangaphi amaxesha amaninzi endinokubukela ngayo ngaphandle kokuphulukana nengqondo. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba yifilimu entle, kwaye kukho umahluko omkhulu, kodwa oko kuyinyani kuyo nayiphi na ifilimu esekwe kwincwadi. Iincwadi zihlala zide kuneefilimu, kwaye iifilimu kufuneka zongeze umculo ukutyhala amaqhosha akho kwaye uzive ngendlela ethile ngalo mzuzu. Zininzi izinto ezahlukeneyo ezenzekayo, ke kufuneka ube nethemba lokuba imvakalelo ngokubanzi evela kule ncwadi iguqulelwe ngandlela ithile, kwaye ndicinga ukuba ibiyiyo.

NJL: Ukuqala kokuziqhelanisa, ubufuna ukuba yinxalenye yesigqibo kwaye usebenze noMarielle kunye nabavelisi, okanye ufuna ukugcina umgama wakho?

Iglogi: Yayingazange ibeyinyani, kuba ndandithetha noMarielle kuphela, kwaye sasondelelana kakhulu. Wahlala kwam amaxesha ambalwa, kwaye ndaye ndabona ukuba inene uyayazi le ncwadi. Isizathu sokuba abantu banxibelelane neencwadi kungenxa yokuba incwadi ithetha nabo kunye namava abo, kwaye loo mava enza ukuba uza kutolika njani umlingiswa.

Kwakulula kum ukuqonda ukuba ukuba ndifuna ukubandakanyeka kakhulu, kufuneka ndenze imovie ngokwam. Ndicinge ukuyenza loo nto, kodwa andisafuni kuphinda ndiliphinde eli bali. Ndinezinye izinto endifuna ukuzenza, ke uMarielle wayengumntu onyanisekileyo onothando lokwenene kumlinganiswa kangangokuba ndaye ndagqiba kwelokuba ndifuna ukumvumela ukuba abaleke nayo, kuba kuya kuba nzima ukucinga ukuba uya kuyikhupha. Ndiyathetha ukuba ngumngcipheko omkhulu wokunika amalungelo encwadi yakho komnye umntu; Ababhali abaninzi baye babandezeleka ngenxa yayo. Kodwa andisokoli. Ndonwabile ngefilimu.

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